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Idonthinkso

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Fri May 15 2015 5:57AM | MsgID: 18247319


I agree with your philosophy. If there is a very high number of lines leading to victory in any position how would determine which of them is the "best" one? I think that the "best" one is different from game to game. It is about all the parameters discussed by others in this tread.







ockendon

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Thu May 14 2015 11:56PM | edited: 12:07:26 | MsgID: 18247006


In theory, I believe that there is actually a 'best' move, in any game, and at any point in the game.

But to achieve that, you'd need a computer way superior to any that currently exist, a computer that could very quickly provide an exhaustive analysis of the opponent: their intelligence, character, personality, life history, recent experiences, all the chess games they ever played ...

... but it might possibly be a lot more fun just to treat chess as a game, and play against other non-perfect humans, where you sometimes make brilliant moves and sometimes blunder, and you win some and lose some, then win some more, and lose some more!







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Thu May 14 2015 11:11PM | edited: 11:12:47 | MsgID: 18246924


Originally posted by: "Smuleb"
..... And don't forget psychology!




Yes, Even here something as basic as perceived slow moves, or even the opposite of refusing to accept conditional moves as too quick!? I know, ridiculous but true.

Both can and will from posts here have some effect on opponents.

Said before and will say it again that I am more into physical competition. I enjoy chess but will never 'get it' as anything more than a game.

I know people dramatise it as 'imitating life' etc. But the truth is you are just moving counters around a board. Some just take it a lot more seriously than others.

I liken it to the old joke about the brain surgeon at a dinner party who is perpetually making sure everyone knows what and who he is. Finally he gets the response ''Well.. Its not rocket science is it''.







Smuleb

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Thu May 14 2015 10:25PM | MsgID: 18246835


..... And don't forget psychology!







Idonthinkso

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Thu May 14 2015 4:45PM | MsgID: 18246070


I support you Smuleb. In any reasonably complex position there is a multitude of lines that lead to victory for both players. And a victory is a victory regardless. A puzzle set up with specific conditions that the line you shall find leads to victory within a certain limited number of moves. And it is carefully constructed such that other lines will not lead to this same result within the same number of moves.
The computers operate with probabilities for victory. That is about the relative number of lines leading to victory for both players. Buth some of these lines are almost unaccessible for humans (in their complexity) hence the probability for a human to win may be different.
Besides, even the computers disagree in most positions, what the "best" next move is. Except I guess for most puzzles in their specific frames of conditions. So a game of chess is surely not a series of puzzles for best move independent from a strategy of dominance in material, position or tempi.







Smuleb

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Thu May 14 2015 3:57PM | edited: 3:58:04 | MsgID: 18245989


Originally posted by: "ketchuplover"
yyyyyyyyyyyup 😛




I don't agree with that at all.







Idonthinkso

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Mon May 11 2015 9:11PM | MsgID: 18240042


Which is equivalent to saying that between two perfect players there exist only one game/one line and the whole of theory of opening alternatives is just a product of human imperfection (wrt chess)?







ketchuplover

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Mon May 11 2015 8:24PM | MsgID: 18239946


yyyyyyyyyyyup 😛







Idonthinkso

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Fri May 8 2015 5:54AM | MsgID: 18232475


Does not that imply that in any position there exist just one best move?







ketchuplover

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Fri May 8 2015 12:28AM | MsgID: 18232197


Originally posted by: "Idonthinkso"
I think you should consider o reduce the number of parallel games from your present 60+ to some 5-6 games with typically 3-5 days response time. This will allow you to focus more, pay more attention to each game and keep the individual games and strategies in your memory. With all these games going on it will hardly be any strategy, just problem chess moves each time. You can just as well solve chess puzzles.




a game is a series of puzzles







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