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kingscrusher

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Thu May 31 2018 3:04PM | MsgID: 19785261


Originally posted by: "Apollo"
[Apologies to KC for not fully considering possible database issues, as I haven't been very active, due to family reasons, the past few days]



Certainly a step forward but ...

... it is only the last 100 games, so historical, (or not so historical if players have a large gameload!), information is limited...




The last 100 timeouts are shown - it could have been based on more than 10,000 games. So that is why I think it is already useful for 95% of potential opponents - as you could simply decide not to play them if they have had more than 100 timeouts. But perhaps the discussion could now continue on the Improvement suggestions forum to avoid duplication of points here.







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Thu May 31 2018 1:22PM | MsgID: 19785258


[Apologies to KC for not fully considering possible database issues, as I haven't been very active, due to family reasons, the past few days]



Certainly a step forward but ...

... it is only the last 100 games, so historical, (or not so historical if players have a large gameload!), information is limited.

I appreciate the potential database issues but, hopefully, if they can be resolved then it would be even more helpful if the listing could be fully inclusive.

To give one, not so hypothetical example, and using a player I shall name "X" to protect the ...

Very heavy gameload, consistently over the years.

Last 100 games; timed out on say 40.

Last 200 games; timed out 140

Last 500 games; timed out 450.


I may be misreading the issue a little here, but if a player has occasional time defaults, less than say 10 in the last 100 then that is really no big deal.

However, if a player has timed out on around 90% of their games in the last year or two, then that is definitely a big deal.

The real issue, surely, is those (few) players who time out in industrial quantities. Most of us would prefer to avoid them like the plague. If there was a way of identifying long term performance, either graphically or otherwise, it would be a powerful piece of information.


The reasons for serious scales of defaulting are, in practice, of no interest to most members. (And, of course, it is next to impossible to verify the explanations anyway.)

The fact it happens, however, most certainly is.

To a very large extent, I suspect that it is due to excessive, (unmanageable?), game-loads.

The depressing thing, to me, is that some offenders often seem to think they are, in some mysterious way, justified, but that their Opponents are unfair and selfish to complain.

Apollo - personal comment








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Thu May 31 2018 10:16AM | MsgID: 19785254


Originally posted by: "cr50"
Thanks K and Reyn. It has confirmed what I thought - that I have not lost a game on time.

This is now useful as you can check if a possible opponent is in the habit of timing out.

Thanks for your efforts




Likewise useful. I have actually had way more than I realised over the years but you can see they are in groups and genuine when I played a lot of 1 day. Makes its easy to spot if someone just dumps games when losing. So Golden rule will be avoid 15 day per move with red indicators perchance lots of time losses.







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Thu May 31 2018 9:46AM | MsgID: 19785253


Originally posted by: "cr50"
Thanks K and Reyn. It has confirmed what I thought - that I have not lost a game on time.

This is now useful as you can check if a possible opponent is in the habit of timing out.

Thanks for your efforts




Please note that we did change the default current games order now for "least time left - your turn first then opponents" a few months back which was a suggestion by Reyn when I was restructuring the current games page - so player reliability may have gone up overall in recent months especially those with larger game loads.







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Thu May 31 2018 9:19AM | MsgID: 19785252


Thanks K and Reyn. It has confirmed what I thought - that I have not lost a game on time.

This is now useful as you can check if a possible opponent is in the habit of timing out.

Thanks for your efforts







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Wed May 30 2018 11:33PM | MsgID: 19785245


I think the goal mentioned in the first post of the thread has been addressed now. 100 is to conserve do resources.







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Wed May 30 2018 9:30PM | edited: 9:36:12 | MsgID: 19785241


Originally posted by: "cr50"
Is there any way to check if someone has lost on time or timed out. I cannot remember losing on time



So, now it is also a simple matter to figure out how many timeouts a player has in total, as there are 10 entries per page.


Edit:

I take that back, as it looks like it only shows the first 100 timeouts for either white or black.







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Wed May 30 2018 9:25PM | MsgID: 19785239


Originally posted by: "kingscrusher"

Thanks - I think that issue is resolved now - please retry now




Confirmed. Both white and black links are working past page 2 now.










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[Quote from: "Reyn"]
[Quote from: "kingscrusher"]
We have experimentally added a couple of option links on the left hand side of player homepages to check for this:

"White loss timeouts" and "Black loss timeouts"


I think this could be potentially useful, although when one goes to page 2(+), you get this message:

"The error is most likely a query which took too long to process and we apologise for any inconvenience caused.
The error has been logged and will be investigated."




Thanks - I think that issue is resolved now - please retry now








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Wed May 30 2018 2:57PM | MsgID: 19785231


Originally posted by: "kingscrusher"

We have experimentally added a couple of option links on the left hand side of player homepages to check for this:

"White loss timeouts" and "Black loss timeouts"



I think this could be potentially useful, although when one goes to page 2(+), you get this message:

"The error is most likely a query which took too long to process and we apologise for any inconvenience caused.
The error has been logged and will be investigated."









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