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HAGEVIER

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it's an old song `love is in the air` and harmony, we work together as a team, and coordinate our activities. And the mother cry: Qg7 # she needs help, a N on f5 or a B on e5. the B sings; One step right (f4) one step left (b2) and push your hands in the air (e5). But the Q waits: Ng1-f3-h4 or Nb1-d2-c4-e3. it's even harder about d4 to f5. The Knigth needs safe places on his path. And even more time to establish yourself there. the Q waits for the whole game. And the Bfi (-guard g7) sings, nobody knows the trouble i have seen nobody knows the anwser.
I create a pawn center: e4 f4: Bf1-c4 Ng1-f3 Rf1, set the tone. A closed variation hides Bf1-g2. B reaches 32 square but there are 16 pawns, each pawn exchange increases all B's strengths. after any pawns advance and disappear, the B hits e4 and dominates.
I create a pawn center e4 d4: Nf3 Nc3, N takes a place on d4 or e4, exchange the rest, and the central unassailable N dominates.
I create a Pawncenter d4 c4: B's find space around the center c4 c3 d3 e3 f3 f4. B´s dominate after opening.
I split the center c4 Nc3 Lg2: Offer the pieces on e4 d5 for exchange and press Pawn into the center. build such a dominant Pawncenter.
And I sing It`s my way, because I do not know better or different. No, I play with black.








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the bishop needs open lines. the knight likes blocked positions.







HAGEVIER

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When he moves his pawn backwards, sideways.
We call him knigth. The Bishop has to wait.
Only a weakness shows the strength.









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Black can attack and defend both sides.








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After ... Bc6 Qxc7 black has a very good move and the best move








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In looking over the endgame more closely, it seems white may have a winning advantage afterall. The kings march over to the queenside, but white can keep the center controlled while pressing with the a-b pawns.

At any rate, it certainly looks more fun to play as white there. The knight outpost on d5 just makes black's game miserable.








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My gut instinct is to prefer white there. However, the structure looks VERY much like those coming from the Sicilian Sveshnikov (or Kalashnikov lines as well). That being the case, I'm guessing black can hold with perfect play. Indeed I have a CC game where I went up a pawn in the Sveshnikov and black was still able hold the draw.







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Lets try again.. Same question as before. If this does not work can somebody help.








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The position is theoretical, but has been used by the very best players as a training tool. It took me sometime to get the correct answer, it is not an easy one. But it does show the relative strength of a Bishop against a Knight with equal pawns.

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SteveCS

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Originally posted by: "AidanToronto"
Perhaps one very concrete example involves the Nimzo-Indian (which I am reading about currently) in which black may exchange his dark square bishop for a white knight, while gaining other compensation such as doubled pawns for white.

"Many of the examples given in books to illustrate the dominance of the bishop or the uselessness of the bad bishop depend upon other factors such as the pawn structure and the position of the Kings...I believe the most one can say is that the bishop will be better in some positions and the knight better in others."




OK, we've heard all about how 'good' Bishops are - here's an example of a Knight beating a really bad bishop...

The game is Henneberger-Nimzowitsch from 1931. Black has just played 1...Ne4, holding the Bishop to the defence of c3 and g3. He uses triangulation to lose a move - same position but with white to play. Black then uses his Knight to run the Bishop out of squares on the Queenside. In doing so he also runs his Knight out of squares, but this allows the King to penetrate the Kingside. White wins the first promotion race, but Black forces an exchange of queens then wins the second promotion race by one move - enough to stop white promoting and thereby winning the game. Watch out for 18...Kh2 instead of 18...Kxf4?, which is the move that allows the forced exchange of queens at move 22 - it is a real gem...








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[[2. Ke2 Kd5 3. Ke3 Kd6 4. Ke2 Kc6 5. Ke3 Kd5 6. Ke2 Nd6 7. Ke3 Nb5 8. Bd2 Na3 9. Bc1 Nb1 10. Bb2 a3 11. Ba1 Kd6 12. Ke2 Kc6 13. Kd1 Kd5 14. Kc2 Ke4 15. Kxb1 Kf3 16. Bb2 axb2 17. a4 Kxg3 18. a5 Kh2 19. a6 g3 20. a7 g2 21. a8=Q g1=Q+ 22. Kxb2 Qg2+ 23. Qxg2+ Kxg2 24. Ka3 Kf3 25. Kb4 Kxf4 26. Kxc4 Ke3 27. d5 exd5+ 28. Kxd5 f4 0-1]]



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Quite right. I'm sure, at times, I make bad moves through being scared to take one of my Bishops off. Perhaps being over keen to remove my opponents B pair is also an Achilles heel of mine.
I'm never quite sure how the game will open up, so I should probably be more open minded.







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