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kasmersensei

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Tue Aug 9 2016 7:01PM | MsgID: 19194897


Sorry, this was before I saw the winner's comments. Certainly had some sharp tactics after that, but being down a piece without much developed didn't help. The only possibility you had was the opponent's king still being stuck in the center.







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Tue Aug 9 2016 6:57PM | MsgID: 19194888


5 N-a5 appears to waste a tempo as after the queen check, the knight is forced back (it might be possible to play it to c6, but I am not sure the knight serves you well and white may still try to win it or win a pawn out of it).

after 7 d5 you drop a piece, and the game kind of goes downhill after that.







GraczNiejednoznaczne

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Sat Jul 30 2016 10:37AM | MsgID: 19174280


Originally posted by: "Taotaomonas"
...Regardless how and where the moves came from...




Not sure if I can fully agree, but appreciate your sentiments.







Taotaomonas

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Fri Jul 29 2016 10:15PM | edited: 10:16:12 | MsgID: 19173638


No I agree, hence my comments. Regardless how and where the moves came from I found it both enjoyable and a great lesson in how weak my game is at this level and type of chess.

I genuinely thank you for the sequence of saving the queen. Game not as it would just have maybe been harder for you that's all

Research, experience, etc is irrelevant. You showed a different and superior level of play and that in truth as a sportsman is key to me.







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Fri Jul 29 2016 11:59AM | edited: 3:27:17 | MsgID: 19172655


Yes, my bishop was there on a3 to pin your rook into place. The invitation to capture my rook was to allow this to happen, a type of negative bluff as they say

Regardless of whether the king or knight did the kindly act my position would have been further strengthened.

Saying that I did wonder if I should give you the draw, but by that time the option was removed.

At times the game is not just about winning or losing.

For an enjoyable entertaining experience a draw may be acceptable for me. As long as we both received something from the time allotted a win win scenario can be enough.










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Fri Jul 29 2016 11:13AM | edited: 11:17:52 | MsgID: 19172619


Originally posted by: "GraczNiejednoznaczne"
...Should have taken the rook...




I sort of appreciate what you are saying. But having been down early on I could not really see the point of carrying on without trying for the your queen. The first time you offered the rook, the bishop pin (I assumed you would put your black bishop on b2) was obviously going to prevent it. The white bishop pinning my knight second offer of course.

When I mentioned the draw it was on the assumption that so long as I kept refusing we could not progress without you giving up the queen. My obvious blunder was not spotting third time you would get goal side and pin mine also. A silly error but I had already shifted my focus to refusal meaning either repetition or your Queen.

The rook swap would have kept me alive, but barely and I would have likely resigned anyway.
Thanks for the input though.

edit One question. Did you as I assumed know it was safe to let me put the rook there in the first place?









GraczNiejednoznaczne

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Fri Jul 29 2016 8:23AM | edited: 8:47:21 | MsgID: 19172403


To confess I was following the Pedersen vs. Simonsen 1996 club game for the first 7 moves, but even their I diverted a little.

However, if interested in that game the win was White's.

Goes under the heading of D31 Queens Gambit Declined though you did Accept if I remember correctly.

Should have taken the rook.

The beauty and one of my main reasons for enjoying correspondence style of chess over other forms available is the research aspect permitted.







Taotaomonas

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Tue Jul 26 2016 9:17PM | edited: 9:24:46 | MsgID: 19167685


A game has been requested for annotation. Please refer to the Latest annotation requests by members for details
The perspective requested for annotations/comments: I am I know playing out of my depth here. I was down (likely lost to the experts amongst you). Pinning the Queen I figured at this level had already been worked through and addressed by my opponent. However I had to find out and the sequence then followed. My interpretation of where I thought I was, completely incorrect. I see all the various pins, material assessment of any progression etc (wrongly as per my game board comments). I am just curious in truth if this is the next level to aim for of reading ahead. If so ready to once again re think my own ability OTB as this guy moves quickly and I am sure is all his own work. I just hate the idea that as I hopefully get better the game is so pre ordained a loss. Worse that I cannot see that without massive improvement to my game.

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[Event "www.ChessWorld.net server game"]
[Site "www.ChessWorld.net "]
[Date "2016.7.25 "]
[Round "NA"]
[White "GraczNiejednoznaczne"]
[Black "Taotaomonas"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2278"]
[BlackElo "1946"]
[Board "10197569"]

1. d2-d4 d7-d5 2. c2-c4 dxc4 3. Nb1-c3 e7-e6 4. e2-e4 Nb8-c6 5. Ng1-f3 Nc6-a5 6. Qd1-a4 Na5-c6 7. d4-d5 exd5 8. exd5 Bf8-b4 9. dxc6 Bb4xc3 10. bxc3 b7-b6 11. Qa4xc4 Bc8-e6 12. Qc4-f4 Ng8-e7 13. Nf3-d4 O-O 14. Nd4xe6 fxe6 15. Qf4-e4 Ne7-d5 16. Bc1-a3 Rf8-f6 17. c3-c4 Nd5-f4 18. Ra1-d1 Qd8-e8 19. g2-g3 Nf4-g6 20. Rd1-d7 Rf6-f5 21. Bf1-d3 Rf5-e5 22. Rd7xg7 Kg8-h8 23. Rg7xh7 Kh8-g8 24. Rh7-h8 1-0



[[[1. d2d4 d7d5 2. c2c4 dxc4 3. Nb1c3 e7e6 4. e2e4 Nb8c6 5. Ng1f3 Nc6a5 6. Qd1a4 Na5c6 7. d4d5 exd5 8. exd5 Bf8b4 9. dxc6 Bb4xc3 10. bxc3 b7b6 11. Qa4xc4 Bc8e6 12. Qc4f4 Ng8e7 13. Nf3d4 O-O 14. Nd4xe6 fxe6 15. Qf4e4 Ne7d5 16. Bc1a3 Rf8f6 17. c3c4 Nd5f4 18. Ra1d1 Qd8e8 19. g2g3 Nf4g6 20. Rd1d7 Rf6f5 21. Bf1d3 Rf5e5 22. Rd7xg7 Kh8 23. Rg7xh7 Kg8 24. Rh7h8 ]]]

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