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and it's all over.

[Event "wcc"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "1960.??.??"]
[Round "06"]
[White "Botvinnik,Mikhail"]
[Black "Tal,Mikhail"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C11"]
[MastersGameID "799143"]

[[1.c4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 O-O 5.d4 d6 6.Nc3 Nbd7 7.O-O e5 8.e4 c6 9.h3 Qb6 10.d5 cxd5 11.cxd5 Nc5 12.Ne1 Bd7 13.Nd3 Nxd3 14.Qxd3 Rfc8 15.Rb1 Nh5 16.Be3 Qb4 17.Qe2 Rc4 18.Rfc1 Rac8 19.Kh2 f5 20.exf5 Bxf5 21.Ra1 Nf4 22.gxf4 exf4 23.Bd2 Qxb2 24.Rab1 f3 25.Rxb2 fxe2 26.Rb3 Rd4 27.Be1 Be5+ 28.Kg1 Bf4 29.Nxe2 Rxc1 30.Nxd4 Rxe1+ 31.Bf1 Be4 32.Ne2 Be5 33.f4 Bf6 34.Rxb7 Bxd5 35.Rc7 Bxa2 36.Rxa7 Bc4 37.Ra8+ Kf7 38.Ra7+ Ke6 39.Ra3 d5 40.Kf2 Bh4+ 41.Kg2 Kd6 42.Ng3 Bxg3 43.Bxc4 dxc4 44.Kxg3 Kd5 45.Ra7 c3 46.Rc7 Kd4 0-1]]

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Thu Nov 9 2006 5:26PM | MsgID: 5545974


45...c3 the pawn looks completely unstoppable now.







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Thu Nov 9 2006 4:51PM | MsgID: 5545788


Ok, I have speeded it up now.







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Thu Nov 9 2006 4:48PM | edited: 4:48:58 | MsgID: 5545753


Originally posted by: "juicy_plums"
Is it simply a case of exchanging down to a won endgame for Black now...




Yep it looks grim for White now. Perhaps we should speed up the relay now to say 2 or 3 minutes a move. At the end of the day, Tal had a ferocious attacking reputation and so it was not only the unfathomable complications he created, he also had the fear-factor from his track record of dynamism and dynamic sacrifices.

It probably came to a point in time when many of his opponents really believed too much in the soundness of his sacrifices and played potentially a second-best defensive continuation, and ended up losing the game by being ground down, etc. Credit to Tal for instilling such fear into opponents 😊







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Thu Nov 9 2006 4:37PM | MsgID: 5545669


Is it simply a case of exchanging down to a won endgame for Black now.








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Thu Nov 9 2006 4:26PM | edited: 4:36:49 | MsgID: 5545612


Originally posted by: "kirkkabaine"
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This system is so hard to play as Black Tal handled it really well on numerous occasions. Ive been looking at some hack attacks in this line for Black to avoid learning lots of theory and to avoid being suffocated by White!. Thats what this game is to a certain degree, a bluff, and against players that play such rock solid systems you might have to throw in a bluff to create a big enough imbalance to have winning chances.




Okay, I wasn't going to mention it but I believe Botvinnik's Ra1 after Bxf5 was perhaps a rock solid positional move with the intended follow up of simply g4 later to get the e4 square for the knight. Tal may have been squashed if he didn't play Nf4. For example we had this position:-








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Ordinarily such a capture in the Kings indian - Bxf5 is not a good idea. Because White wins statistically tonnes of games by getting a knight to e4. To achieve this aim, Botvinnik played Ra1:-








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Now say the knight on h5 retreats to f6, a possible continuation could be for White to try and secure the e4 square now with:-

g4! Bd7
g5!








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...Nh5

Now finally get rid of the black queens lateral pressure with

a3 Qb4

and now Ne4 with advantage to White:








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Generally giving White the e4 square for a knight is strategically bancrupt play by black in the Kings indian defence. This is generally with gxf5 is seriously considered when White plays a move like exf5. In this game though gxf5 was not possible because of Qxh5.








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Thu Nov 9 2006 4:21PM | MsgID: 5545591


Originally posted by: "juicy_plums"

Yes Dom, going by my search earlier it does seem that 12...Bd7 might have been a novelty in 1960, perhaps the fact that it seems a rare line indicates, that improvements have been found even earlier in the position. Just guessing though.

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This system is so hard to play as Black Tal handled it really well on numerous occasions. Ive been looking at some hack attacks in this line for Black to avoid learning lots of theory and to avoid being suffocated by White!. Thats what this game is to a certain degree, a bluff, and against players that play such rock solid systems you might have to throw in a bluff to create a big enough imbalance to have winning chances.







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Thu Nov 9 2006 4:15PM | MsgID: 5545555


27...Be5+ is the primary objective here to force the White King onto the back rank again.







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Off home now... interesting game! Much better than working 😊 will look in on it tomorrow (no internet at home).

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