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Ceri

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Dear Dave, KC and Mickey.

Please don't flame Mickey as if he is attacking KC, because there has been a glitsch in the Forum system.

He replied to a posting by me which appears to have gone AWOL and this will therefore confuse people.

I am a little confused as to which 1200 players playing like 2800's Mickey was attempting to make his point against, but it was certainly NOT KC.

My original, rather long and rambling, post referred to a game of mine against DeepKnivek and how his understanding of the position, as a truly human strong cc player, was better than a computer might have displayed.

Cheers,

Ceri








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Originally posted by: "MickeyBitsko"
No wonder nobody can beat you. Alas, I think this is the reason I will not be renewing my membership -- many 1200 elo players playing like 2800. It's not about chess but who can afford the the newest chess software and how many computers they can run it on. SADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!

Mickey Bitsko



Given your rating on this site of 2850 and your apparent lack of a FIDE rating, and in contrast, kingscrusher's rating on this site of only 1949 and his FIDE rating of 2157, your comment is not only out of order but ridiculous as well.







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No wonder nobody can beat you. Alas, I think this is the reason I will not be renewing my membership -- many 1200 elo players playing like 2800. It's not about chess but who can afford the the newest chess software and how many computers they can run it on. SADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!

Mickey Bitsko







kingscrusher

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Thu Dec 7 2006 2:53AM | edited: 2:55:37 | MsgID: 5733532


Originally posted by: "sassafrass"
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..It would seem ,in retrospect,that 7...b5 was in order.

Best wishes,sassafrass




Yes that is interesting to consider. I have put some probably "fantasy" and probably very unsound variations which were very quickly analysed by Fritz 9 now for a quick b5, with two candidate moves considered - Bb3 and Bd3. Perhaps b4 and Nxe4 would be pushing the position too much because the potential sac on the e-file as the embedded variation now shows.

If anyone has some good quality variations to add, then leave a message and I may add them tommorow. Perhaps we could use this method for Row game challenges...







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Thu Dec 7 2006 2:41AM | edited: 2:44:21 | MsgID: 5733484


Originally posted by: "kingscrusher"
I have embedded some variations I was thinking were relevant at the time into the game player above. Basically the crude Rxh7+ attack which I thought was a threat, wasn't actually a threat. So the way the computer played it to win the a4 pawn instead, and forget about the K-side attack, but instead just dominate the d file and push the a-pawn was probably the most effective plan available, instead of a standard hack-attack.

On move 26, if Bxe5, black would actually be mated by force in all lines.

If anyone wants particular moves analysed with Fritz 9, then let me know, and I might add some more variations to consider.




Hi kingscrusher,

It would seem ,in retrospect,that 7...b5 was in order.

Best wishes,sassafrass







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Thu Dec 7 2006 2:36AM | edited: 2:38:07 | MsgID: 5733474


I have embedded some variations I was thinking were relevant at the time into the game player above. Basically the crude Rxh7+ attack which I thought was a threat, wasn't actually a threat. So the way the computer played it to win the a4 pawn instead, and forget about the K-side attack, but instead just dominate the d file and push the a-pawn was probably the most effective plan available, instead of a standard hack-attack.

On move 26, if Bxe5, black would actually be mated by force in all lines.

If anyone wants particular moves analysed with Fritz 9, then let me know, and I might add some more variations to consider.







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Kramnik resigned, official







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Tue Dec 5 2006 6:23PM | MsgID: 5721577


Deep Fritz - Kramnik
2r2n2/1br3k1/3R1pp1/1Bp1p2p/N1P5/1P6/P3RPPP/6K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 10:

1. +- (2.30): 45.Red2 Re7 46.Rb6 h4 47.a3 Rcc7 48.Rdd6 Bc8 49.Kf1 Ne6 50.Nc3 Ra7 51.Nd5
2. +- (2.22): 45.Nb6 Rb8 46.a4 Kf7 47.Red2 Re7 48.a5 Re6 49.Rxe6 Kxe6 50.Na4 Rc8 51.a6 Be4 52.a7 h4
3. +- (2.18): 45.f4 Re7 46.a3 Kf7 47.fxe5 Rxe5 48.Rxe5 fxe5 49.Nb6 Rc7 50.Nd5 Bxd5 51.Rxd5 Ke6 52.Kf2 Ra7 53.b4 Rxa3

(Cluster Wraith Remote, Cumnor, Oxford 05.12.2006)








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Tue Dec 5 2006 6:14PM | edited: 6:16:00 | MsgID: 5721503


Fritz 9 showing +2.03 after 42.Rd1
Anyone got Fritz 10 to see how that compares?







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Tue Dec 5 2006 5:59PM | MsgID: 5721403


Originally posted by: "TheSecretGarden"
Why didn't Kramkik's bishop capture white's c3 pawn when it was still unprotected?



Er . . . which move was that?!







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