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lunchtimeplayer

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Fri Nov 6 2015 5:02PM | MsgID: 18626896


Hey Paul,

thanks for updating me on that!
I still think it's extremely odd that there is another Michael Flatley in the world who happened to be born in 1955 too and that happens to have a master-level chess rating etc. All very odd.

My guess is that most non-chess players think that mastering chess is straight-forward, more or less some kind of innate talent which manifests itself without any effort. In real life, as we know, it takes years of work and dedication (more perspiration than inspiration). It annoys me a lot to see people (such as M Flatley) claiming chess talent without anything behind it.







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Wed Oct 28 2015 8:04PM | MsgID: 18607863


Originally posted by: "neilo"
Sooo-o-o--o ... multi-tasking, as defined by your good self, would be to dance, play chess, play the guitar and drink a glass of Chardonnay... ???



Well, yes ... but you'd have to call out the moves (the chess moves, that is, not the dance moves!) while a friend moved the pieces; and you'd also have to use a straw for the Chardonnay, while another friend held the glass!







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Wed Oct 28 2015 8:37AM | MsgID: 18606561


Originally posted by: "ockendon"
This leads me to wonder ... has there ever been a great chess player that was also a talented dancer? (Other than me)




Sooo-o-o--o ... multi-tasking, as defined by your good self, would be to dance, play chess, play the guitar and drink a glass of Chardonnay... ???







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Fri Oct 23 2015 12:05AM | edited: 12:06:08 | MsgID: 18595269


This leads me to wonder ... has there ever been a great chess player that was also a talented dancer? (Other than me)







Paul Georghiou

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Thu Oct 22 2015 6:39PM | MsgID: 18594651


Hi lunchtimeplayer

In the near decade since I last posted this mystery has been largely solved. The Michael Flatley with the 2395 rating is not the famous one.

I have it on good authority from someone who has given him coaching, that the famous Michael Flatley does play a little bit of social chess, but is only about FIDE 1450 / ECF 100.

Who the 2395 Michael Flatley is, and how he became so strong so quickly remains a mystery. He appears to have played no chess since the previous posts.

Paul







lunchtimeplayer

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Thu Oct 22 2015 4:08PM | MsgID: 18594360


The mystery deepens.
Look at the video of Michael Flatley showing a journalist around his (huge!) house. They show an incredible chess board at 3:40 in the video. Ah, you might think, he is a chess player!
But, lo and behold, the pieces are set up wrong (right hand corner colour is black!!). This is a dead give-away. There is not a chance in hell that a chess "master" would set up the pieces wrongly, that is just a novice mistake. Or even granted that he didn't set up the pieces himself, you'd expect him to have either used the board at least once, or to have noticed the mistake.
I conclude that Flatley is a spoofer and never played chess in his life.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/look-inside-curtain-call-on-michael-flatley-s-castlehyde-home-1.2401513







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Sat May 20 2006 11:05PM | MsgID: 4272406


Looks like it is him remarkably enough. But without putting down his great achievement at all his USCF rating of 2262 is more believeable. I believe USCF ratings are 50-100 points below FIDE making him about 2200 strength.

Maybe he achieved his 2395 rating in one tournament without being as strong as that. This would also explain the lack of games.

I remember the English player Lawrence Cooper who was unrated jump straight onto the rating list at 2430 with an IM norm with one great tournament, the Lloyds Bank Masters, I think in 1987. His rating then dropped like a stone though he eventually became an IM, but he's never been anywhere near 2430 again.

Still a remarkable achievement. Looks like he just worked really hard at chess for a year or so, and then gave up. Could have been a GM at that rate.

Thanks for your help everyone. Would love to see some games though!







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Sat May 20 2006 5:46PM | edited: 5:46:56 | MsgID: 4270455


Originally posted by: "Marquis of Somerset"



Then there is of course the legend of Bob Holness, actor and presenter (the first ever voice of James Bond) being the saxophonist on Gerry Rafferty's 'Baker Street' but no one is able to confirm or deny it.




... the saxophonist on Gerry Rafferty's 'Baker Street' was actually Raphael Ravenscroft, apparently he only got paid for the session so he would have missed out on quite a few bob in royalties ,(







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Sat May 20 2006 5:42PM | MsgID: 4270436


looks like him see

https://www.michaelflatleyireland.com/htmindex.htm

according to
https://www.antoniopacelli.com/cgi-bin/publisher/display.cgi?1738-4100-50402+news

8. During 1993, Michael competed in 24 chess tournaments and went from no ranking to attaining a raking of Master within 6 months.









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Sat May 20 2006 5:42PM | MsgID: 4270434


I also found Michael Flatley's name on the USCF ratings webpage. He has a current USCF rating of 2262, which qualifies him as a master, although he has apparently been inactive, so far as playing rated games is concerned, since 1994.

https://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?12601431







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