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AsceticKingK9

Chess rating: 1773





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Poland
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Mon May 25 2015 11:40AM | MsgID: 18269210


Thank you Taotaomonas and more eloquently said. If you are interested the game in question appears to be 9632825 with the message "NewKnave: I have learned to realise when someone uses a program and at that point I do as well." Maybe.







Taotaomonas

Chess rating: 1791





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Australia
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Mon May 25 2015 10:49AM | MsgID: 18269119


Personally I am in the camp that does not see the point. As Ascetic said earlier, there would be Zero fun and no reason to bother being on a chess site that I can see, if you are not going to test your own skills and abilities.

That said, I understand that a lot of members who do have a more serious interest in this type of chess will use engines for post analysis, books for research etc. I have no problem with that, in fact I admire the commitment.

I am myself currently reading my first couple of chess books this week in an attempt to learn some proper opening strategy with black. This then is where it gets a little grey for me. I am used to taking exams and retaining information. So that is exactly as I will treat it. In other words I will not be taking my notes into the exam with me. Thats just my personal view though. As above I do not really have a problem with people who use books to follow openings. It just won't help me OTB which is really my preference, and even here a chess book is only going to get you so far into a game.

This is now where I ask my dumb question. Anyone who has read my homepage will see the line ..I do not have the knowledge to see if someone is using a computer... Ascetic made another point earlier that it looked like both players were using a program and one was just better than the other.

As I said, dumb question but. How do you know? With standard opening we all know to one degree or another. How is it possible to spot a program move over someone who is just a very good player?







AsceticKingK9

Chess rating: 1773





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Poland
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Mon May 25 2015 9:41AM | MsgID: 18268968


I made a number of those Tournaments always filled the 15 player all play all Tournaments, but unfortunately a restriction on how many Tournaments you can create limited my ability to make too many smaller Tournaments ie the smaller Tournament were filled too quickly maybe that says something.







Idonthinkso

Chess rating: 2130



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Norway
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Mon May 25 2015 9:10AM | MsgID: 18268928


A vote for a no-rating system I assume?







AsceticKingK9

Chess rating: 1773





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Poland
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Mon May 25 2015 8:34AM | MsgID: 18268879


Not sure what the answer is, but love them or hate them chess computers are here to stay. They are all about the quick easy fix with opponents not willing to think through the situation. Hence the reason why fast food outlets are so popular. I play on this server to have fun I don't really care about whether my opponents are using them or not because no promises are made at the outset. Take away the fun element and what do you have left.







Idonthinkso

Chess rating: 2130



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Norway
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Mon May 25 2015 7:01AM | MsgID: 18268781


Thinking some more about it, may in the future (we want all things to happen faster) a parameter like number of moves may even be advantageous to specific OTB competitions as well. A player chess mating his opponent in 20 moves must clearly be stronger (in that particular game) than a player needing 50 moves to do the same. Or is my analysis to simple?







AsceticKingK9

Chess rating: 1773





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Poland
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Mon May 25 2015 6:53AM | MsgID: 18268776


I have checked the game in question and appears to be a case of who is using the better computer. If so is this just sour grapes or if you play with fire expect to get your hands burnt.







Idonthinkso

Chess rating: 2130



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Norway
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Mon May 25 2015 6:49AM | MsgID: 18268771


That is a sound philosophy and clearly another alternative. No rating system! It may be a little too risky for the site manager as I am sure he will consider that, to a number of members, the rating system is attractive. And he will fear they take their business elsewhere. But maybe we could have a possibility to establish a "not rated" community in ChessWorld and be members with no rating at all?

Nothing will prevent those members for using programs to win though (if the victory is the only thing that matters).

I still see a rating system as a mean to motivate. The system used here is equivalent to the FIDE system designed to work for OTB Chess without external sources for assistance. One cannot simply assume that such a system fits correspondence check as this starting point may not be apply (some may use programs). Rather than using a system trying to indicate the equivalent FIDE rating we should find a system which encouraged individual non-assisted play. This means that we must add a parameter which the program does not control. Which is how we win the game. And the only parameter I can see, which can objectively be put into a rating system, is the number of moves to victory.







ockendon

Chess rating: 1777
LCF 109 Fide approx. 1795






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England
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Sun May 24 2015 11:40PM | edited: 11:45:06 | MsgID: 18268362


I've been a member of this great site for 13 years, and have never once used outside help; e.g. chess program, discussing a position with a friend, etc.

Yes, I know that's pretty obvious from my rating!

But I still believe that it's a small minority that use chess engines, even at the higher levels. Because, what's to be gained from cheating?

There are no monetary rewards or official accolades.

Like most people, I don't care at all about anyone else's rating; I don't look up in awe at 2000+ players, or look down at <1400 players. We're all individually important humans who happen to like playing chess. And I'm sure that very many <1400-rated players on here could thrash me at tennis, for example, or outwit me in a poker game!

So, what do people gain from using a chess engine to boost their chessworld rating? A feeling of superiority, which no one else cares about and which they themselves know to be false?

The fact that this 'reward' is so nebulous and unfulfilling is what leads me to believe that the practice can't be that widespread.








Taotaomonas

Chess rating: 1791





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Australia
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Sun May 24 2015 11:40PM | MsgID: 18268359


I am with you Brother :-hi







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